Friday, December 14, 2007

Sutter's FOIA report

Update! I uploaded the letter from The National Personal Records Center!
Sutter spent his whole Navy "career" in Great Lakes, much of it with a nail on a stick on litter detail waiting to go home. I hope this makes him happy I posted the letter with letterhead. Lets see what fiction he can come up with now!

Sutter's FOIA report.

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43 comments:

1389 said...

What made him think he could get away with lying about his military record. It is so easy to expose these frauds.

He is a tool indeed, but certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed!

Bigsibling said...

My question is what happened? I noticed under "Transcript of Court-Martial" it doesn't say "none in record" like it does under "Photograph" and "Decorations and Awards". Instead it says "not a matter of record". I'm not familiar with these documents, does that mean he there is a court-martial record, but it is not part of this FOIA record? Or that there is no court-martial record at all? Curiouser and curiouser.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

Wow, you are getting incredibly lazy in your forgeries. At least make an effort. The Navy says they send DD-214's in response to service requests, so where is it, instead of this amateurish, cheezy forgery. They don't send blatantly phony photocopied forgeries. Are the copy machines in the Ukraine that old? See http://www.archives.gov/research/order/standard-form-180.pdf where it is clearly stated all that is sent is a DD-214 or its variants. Your forgery doesn't even say US Navy on it.

BTW, aren't you facing enough charges already without trying to forge a "government document"?

I'll pass your forgery along to the FBI, they can add it on to the case being built against you here.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

I passed it along to the FBI, who will pass it along to the Ukrainian authorities, letting them know you're committing more crimes while out of bail awaiting trial for human trafficking.

So tell us, do you really LIKE being in prison? You seem to be working really hard to make sure you spend the maximum amount of time incarcerated. Or is this just some part of an insanity defense? Either way, I'm told it's good for at least 5 years in the US, and in the Ukraine, it may be enough to have your bail revoked and put you back in a jail cell while awaiting trial. You're also putting those poor nuns who gave you shelter in jeopardy, by using their equipment for your crimes.

You really have no conscience at all, do you? You don't care what happens to those nuns?

Lady Predator said...

Nice try at a bluff Sutter, except *anyone* can write and see for themselves what a phony you are.

Bigsibling said...

It is terribly amusing that Sutter will so vehemently denounce this document, but off nothing, not one iota of evidence to discount its veracity. No evidence except his over-tried and extremely tired lip-service that is.

Lady Predator said...

Sutter passed it along to the FBI ROTFLOL.

Sat Sutter it is common knowledge that you are a fraud why don't you poat *your* proof that you are not.

I've been waiting for you to post your DD 214.

You won't for course because you can't.

Anonymous said...

It just occurred to me that he is also impersonating (somewhat) the Southern Poverty Law Center. They run a program called Hatewatch and Sutter posts a lot of their stuff.
I wonder if it really is as he says "Courtesy of the SPLC"

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

I clearly posted a link ( http://www.archives.gov/research/order/standard-form-180.pdf) directly from the military records center that says the only document they send is the DD-214, thus proving Jeanette's crude forgery completely bogus. And as the form states, you can only receive that with providing proof of either being a direct relative or with my signature.

Anonymous said...

Uh, no, Sutter. You are such a complete liar it boggles the mind.
"2. Write a Letter to Request Records
If you are not able to obtain SF-180, you may still submit a request for military records. Requests must contain enough information to identify the record among the more than 70 million on file at NPRC (MPR). Certain basic information is needed to locate military service records. This information includes:

The veteran's complete name used while in service
Service number or social security number
Branch of service
Dates of service
Date and place of birth may also be helpful, especially if the service number is not known."
The public's right to know is balanced against your right to privacy.
If you signed a document, further records might be available, but as it is, what is posted here is public under the Freedom of Information Avt

Lady Predator said...

Sutter thinks everyone is stupid. The fact remain if there really was a document that proved the lying "reverend" claims about his service he would have posted it.

Sutter never even made it though "A" school. And anyone can find out the truth for themselves.

How sad that someone claiming to be a "man of God" is so unfamiliar with the the truth.

Anonymous said...

You are right that he must think people are stupid. Today at Sutter's Hall of Sham, he has a photo which he claims is a Belgian politician giving a Nazi salute while Spencer looks on. Only two problems:
that is clearly a gesture and not a salute as anyone can see (no one is at attention or responding)
and two, Spencer is not in the photo at all.

Anonymous said...

Sutter says to post DD 214. But, under FOIA, DD 214 is not available, unless the service member requests it personally (if living). This rule is based upon date of discharge and the fact the St. Louis facility maintains all records for people discharged during this period of time, and not the Navy.
Here is a list of what may be provided by non-blood-related FOIA requests, which is exactly what was provided:
http://www.archives.gov/st-louis/military-personnel/foia-info.html

Request for courts martial transcripts are a separate thing. In this case, it is unlikely there was a courts martial, since at time of discharge, he was an E-3. So, an administrative discharge is the most likely, done by the local commander.

Anonymous said...

Mmm mmm. Sutter's traffic is down 87% according to Alexa which is his measuring stick.

Anonymous said...

Sorry to be posting this here, but phony rev has no comment box.
It turns out that Sheridan Folger is as much of a self-promoting blowhard as Sutter. The blog is NOT affliliated with McCain's campaign. THe list of McCain's actual campaign committee is here:
http://www.johnmccain.com/Supporters/

see also http://mccain08olc.blogspot.com/2007/11/about-us.html

I support Mitt Romney, myself, but I see no reason to take these (expletives deleted) seriously.

Anonymous said...

Oh this is priceless: Sutter has been using comments from another blog to make it seem as if he has readers!!! Look ROFL!

Comments from another person's8/26/07 blog are reprinted on Sutter's blog entry as if they responded to his January nutcase "exposé" of Coors, Regnery and Horowitz

Comments at

http://hatewatchhallofshame.blogspot.com/2008/01/feedback.html

are stolen from

http://radicalmuslim.blogsome.com/2007/08/26/refuting-robert-spencer/

Anonymous said...

Just to recap: Sheridan Folger's email was misused, and his other feedback was stolen from another blog.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

Funny, what's being deliberately overlooked by the mad baby buyer and her supporters is that on the forged document she presented, allegedly showing my Navy service, there's no letterhead, no name or address as to who it's from, no signature, and no government document number. Anyone who has ever been in any government job or position knows that every single document is numbered, and nothing goes out without full identification on it.

As to the National Archives claim, Jeanette claims she got my record from the Navy (which is where it's at, the Archives store prior to 1968, my service was later.) And once again, on the website of Navy records, it clearly states the only thing they send is the DD-214. It will be cleansed, but they will send it.

I see Jeanette is nowhere to be found online lately. Perhaps she's already taking her "vacation" in the Ukrainian prison?

Anonymous said...

Sutter you are a liar and a nothing and you know it. Do you think other people are as stupid as you? We can read. You have been caught it lie after lie: some of your antics were in the Cleveland Plain Dealer, some are available at courthouse web sites, and this is info available under FOIA. You have stolen comments and pretended that they were about your work, AND WE CAN ALL SEE THE EVIDENCE. We have seen you claim to be dying in an Internet group to cover up the fact that you were going to jail. Your Kings Word seminary does not exist, and the pastor you had been associated with said it was nothing more than a bible college and that you could not even finish the courses. Come on.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

Aside from all your other falsehoods, Ernie never said there was no seminary, that was strictly Jeanette's claim. Listen to the interview between Ernie and Spencer, there's nothing asked or discussed about the seminary.

Your lies here and on the religion of peace site are giving belly laughs to quite a few people, though, so we thank you for those, it's always good to have something to laugh about.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

BTW, I see you failed, as usual, to address any of the points I made about the obvious forgery presented by Jeanette.

Lady Predator said...

What is the matter phony Jim? Are you beginning to realize no one believe any of your claims?

The only forger I see around here is you. Your arrest recored does show your do have a propensity for that.

Say Sutter why don't you prove me wrong post the proof of your time in the Navy I dare you!!

And beside anyone can write the Navy themselves and see what a liar you are.

From what I can see you didn't even make it though basic before they realize you were a luzer and sent you to liter detail.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

I've already proven you forged that so-called report. No letterhead, no return address, no logo, no signature, no document number.

BTW, I don't post claims, I post facts, as evidenced by the thousands of links to easily verifiable source material on my blog site.

Anonymous said...

You have proven nothing. The document looks fine to me. You have merely claimed that it ought to have a letterhead.
Robert Spencer is not the only one who talked to Ernie Sanders.
Say have you removed Sheridan Folger's eamil as he requested?
It is simply another of your lies to say DD-214 is the only record. We went through this with John Kerry, too. If you don't authorize it we cannot get the full document, BUT we sure get enough to learn that you are a liar.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

ROP makes false claims again:


From: http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/mccain/mccain062007pr.html

PRESS RELEASE from John McCain 2008

For Immediate Release
June 20, 2007 Contact: Danny Diaz
New Hampshire Veterans Support McCain
ARLINGTON, VA - U.S. Senator John McCain's presidential campaign today announced that well over 200 Granite State veterans have joined the Arizona Senator's team as members of the New Hampshire Veterans Advisory Coalition.
Scroll down the list and guess who is on this McCain committee? Sheridan Folger

Same article on the McCain official website at http://www.johnmccain.com/informing/news/PressReleases/bfef8168-dafa-460d-bea8-370c3fc6ad78.htm

Lady Predator said...

So Sutter when are you going to post your DD-214 and prove me wrong? The Navy is only going to release your DD-214 if you give me permission. Are you willing to do do that? After all all you say you have nothing to hide. Prove to the world that you did in fact spent 26 years in the Navy and retired as an officer as you claimed!

LOL Don't hold your breath anyone. High school grad Sutter has only accomplished one thing in his life collecting felony convctions

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

I know you have a difficult time with reading comprehension, but what part of "I've already proved you wrong" don't you get? It's only five words, even you should be able to understand it.

No letterhead + no logo + no address + no signature + no document number = forgery.

Do you know the penalty for forging a claimed government document?

Anonymous said...

We know Folger is a McCain supporter. But he is no more a spokesman for the campaign than you are a minister- ie, he and you are both self-ordained nobodies.
Are you saying Folger wants his email at your site? He says otherwise.
You have proved nothing; you have only CLAIMED that Lady Predator's document is not good enough.
I think that the document is fine, and that you are a loser, a liar and a nothing.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Loser! Check this out:
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/hatewatchhallofshame.blogspot.com

JeanetteVictoria said...

Bwahahaha any one can write for themselves and get th same information I did and see for themselves what a liar you are. YOu can bleat all you want never anything Sutter. Everyone knows your whole life story is nothing but fabrications. Damn even I speak more languages than you do.
LUZER

Jalil Ibn Musa said...

The game's up Jimbo and you're the big loser. Everyone knows who you are and no one cares what you have to say anymore.

The person that you really hate is you (for obvious reasons), so instead of continuing to pretend to be someone that you aren't, why not do something legitimate for a change and start to feel better about yourself?

My suggestion is start by getting a job and supporting yourself the way real men do. Self-esteem may then follow.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

First, I don't care what my rankings are, I have plenty of readers. What I care about - and what has been steadily happening - is that the readers of the racist sites are leaving in droves (overall). Even some of the former racist sites have turned around and are now battling the racists.

Secondly, I always give ROP credit for trying to be humorous. "Jalil Ibn Musa" is him using a fake name, where the name belongs to a con artist that was exposed when I worked at the BBB. He had just been released from prison for armed robbery of a mailman, and he went on to selling phony "water filters" to the elderly. We exposed him scam, and the local television stations covered it. He sued the BBB and me for libel, he lost due to Ohio's standards for proving libel being very strict.

Anonymous said...

Awww, is ickle Sutter feeling ignored? Decided to go trolling for attention with an attack on ROP and Foehammar and Lady Predator? What, Regnery publishing didn't return your calls? Coors Beer still going strong? Poor ignored baby.
We can read about your ignominious career at the BBB in the Plain Dealer, thanks all the same.

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

Just keep giving me more evidence. You're doing a fantastic job of it.

Anonymous said...

Evidence of not being afraid of an overweight, under-intelligent Elmer Gantry with delusions of being a Navy officer?

Rev. Jim Sutter said...

You don't have to be afraid of me. There's someone else quite interested in you. But I'll let you be surprised.

Anonymous said...

Poppycock!

Lady Predator said...

ROTFLOL Sutter has been talking to the voices in his head again!!

Anonymous said...

Perhaps he has been listening to the lizard men at the International Criminal Court.

Anonymous said...

Foehammer.net has a traffic rank of: 988,509
Hatewatchhallofshame.blogspot.com has a traffic rank of: 2,668,018

Jalil Ibn Musa said...

Why so skeptical, Jimbo? Do you hate yourself so badly that you find it impossible to believe that anyone else can’t help but to be repulsed by you as well?

True, you’ve made a lot of bad choices in life (I guess that would be an understatement), and you’ve pretty much worked yourself into a position where very few options are left at this stage in the game. Hell, if the god you claim as your cover really does exist, then even your afterlife looks grim, since you have literally spent your time lying, stealing and cheating the system – all in the name of Jesus!

Hmmm... maybe I shouldn’t have started down this road...

Anyway, the point is that just because you are a hateful, unaccomplished loser doesn’t mean that you have to die that way. Rather than humiliate yourself further by clinging to fantasies that everyone else here is wise to, why not try to become more the person that you wish you were?

Anonymous said...

I notice that Sutter says that Jalil Ibn Musa sued the BBB and him for libel, but that Jalil Ibn Musa " lost due to Ohio's standards for proving libel being very strict." Not, of course, because the accusations made against Jalil Ibn Musa were true, or anything like that.
Boy, what a treat it must have been trying to do business in Cleveland with Sutter constantly uncovering imaginary "crimes." A quick look at the Plain Dealer for those days shows him frequently shooting off his mouth to "warn consumers."
As any cop will tell you, people usually get away with stuff for a long time before they get caught. Who knows how long Sutter could have gone on at BBB if he had not been dumb enough to allege he was being followed by an inoperable car. The mind reels.

Anonymous said...

I notice the big bad Navy Seal (NOT) tucked his tail between his legs and ran away as soon as he saw there would be pushback when he tried to sneak in a last word here.

I thought as long as he is too scared or too stupid to deal with real comments at his own site, I would just alert any interested parties to this:
AP Hints Pro-Lifers Bigger Terrorists Than Foreign Radicals "On September 11, 2001, terrorists brutally exterminated nearly 3,000 Americans, obliterated the landscape of lower Manhattan, and pummeled the headquarters of the United States's national defense. And since that same date nearly six-and-a-half years ago, pro-lifers have committed a grand total of zero murders, attempted murders, and bombings directed at abortion workers and clinics across the United States and Canada...The total number of murders that have occurred since Roe v. Wade passed in 1973 is seven."