Tuesday, July 26, 2011

James M Sutter Dies for Real Apparently

James Sutter died of a heart attack on Monday at 9:50 pm. Please pray for the repose of his soul!

Update Aug 16
I have informed the many people that Mr. Sutter has stalked of his passing; Robert Spencer has given me permission to post his thoughts on the passing of this man.

"James Sutter was one of the most evil men I have ever encountered. While wrapping himself in a cloak of self-righteousness and posturing that he was on the side of the angels, he gleefully repeated things he knew to be lies, fabricated false charges against those he considered his enemies, and gave wide circulation to the most outrageous smears and falsehoods that others devised against those same enemies. He epitomized the strange tendency of genuine hatemongers nowadays to claim the moral high ground while indulging in behavior that was unarguably libelous. Now that he is dead, the world is just a bit saner and more honest." -- Robert Spencer

Friday, December 31, 2010

Sutter Pretends To Be a Black Woman

One would think he would get tired of me. Apparently I'm the only reason why this man draws a breath.

Sutter has made a fraudulent profile on facebook pretending to be a black woman for the sole purpose to stalk and defame me. Not to mention he is posting my home phone number. I assume he wants strangers to harass me. Pretty sad.

Maybe it is because his lies about me are beginning to unravel.

Friday, April 9, 2010

More delusional droppings from the pretend “man of God”

--> Sutter must think the few people who rubberneck at his blog must have single digit IQ’s. He has now made the claim that I tried to hire attorney Murdoch Herzog (how would he know this? ESP?) to sue him because he “exposed my (non-existent) conviction for human trafficking”. Besides never having heard of this attorney, Herzog is licensed in Minnesota. I live in North Carolina, Sutter lives in Ohio. The only two places I would hire an attorney to sue Mr. Sutter would either be in North Carolina or Ohio. I’ve already looked into a defamation lawsuit; however Sutter lives off the government dole and has no assets. It would cost me a minimum of $10,000 to sue him. I have better uses for my money.

There will be an update concerning Sutter's fiction about my "conviction for human trafficking” I have received a letter from the Attorney General of the Ukraine informing that the criminal case was closed on 06/10/2008 by the public prosecutor’s office in the city of Kiev due to the absence of crime in my actions. However I need a more official document which my attorney in the Ukraine is getting for me. I will post it and a translation as soon as I get it .

Monday, December 1, 2008

Photos Mr. Sutter Doesn't Want You to See.

Here are the photos that so annoy Mr. Sutter that he perjurers himself claiming he has the copyright in order to have them removed from the public view. Could it be they expose his lies? Go take a look for yourself. http://petroshapko.narod.ru/index.html.

I will leave you with this pathetic example, this is a picture posted Sutter on his AOL profile claiming it was him (note the LT.....impersonating a officer). Interesting that this photo came from a pro-homosexual site.

Monday, November 3, 2008

Sutter You Have Been Called Out

Mosquewatch challenges Mr Sutter online via clipser or youtube. If Mr. Sutter can tell him what race he is against he will shut his site down on blogger, youtube and clipser. Mr. Sutter do you have the backbone to respond? My guess......you won't.

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Saturday, October 25, 2008

The Fraudulent "Rev" Perjurs Himself and Abuses the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)

Those of us who know the pretend "rev" and Navy Seal impostor are not surprised at that he would lie to keep the truth about himself off the web and away from the public. Mr Sutter like many frauds on the web today has been abusing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to stop freedom of speech and prevent the truth about him being revealed to the public. Mr. Sutter LIED in order to get snapshots of himself pulled off several different web severs. Mr. Sutter is the subject of these snapshots not the copyright owner as he claims. My use those photos is legally protected because it falls within the "fair use" provision of the copyright regulations, as defined in 17 USC 107. Perhaps Mr. Sutter needs a refresher course in copyright laws.

Question: Can the subject of a photograph use the DMCA 512 takedown process?

Answer: Generally, no. Only the copyright owner or an authorized representative of the copyright owner can send a DMCA takedown notice. The copyright in a photograph belongs initially to the person who took the photo, not the person who is pictured. Unless the photo subject has gotten an assignment of copyright or permission to act on behalf of the photographer, it is improper for him or her to send a DMCA takedown notice.

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Monday, September 29, 2008

Sutter and Blasphemy

Sutter uses the language of God and faith to hide or disguise his evil intent and his criminality. He uses God to hide his sins rather than to go to the Lord to repair them.

Sunday, September 28, 2008

Sutter tries to cover his tracks again

Today at 4:31:00 PM Mr. Sutter completely wiped out his fictional history "Just the Facts". He has rewritten his "Just the Facts" many times but was busted here on this blog. Sutter changed his "Just the Facts" Xmas eve 2007 but left the old date of Monday, April 23, 2007. Every time he rewrote his fictional biography he would leave out some bit of fiction that was easily exposed to be a lie! To bad for Mr. Sutter that we have kept copies of his fictional “biographies” including a copy of the one he thinks he “erased”

He has also edited his "Rev. Jim's Place" removing his link to his fictional biography
Just the Facts (a PDF of the Google cache can be seen here) . Also made to disappear are his "degrees". Too bad for Mr. Sutter The Wayback Machine has a copy of his fiction.

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Thursday, August 14, 2008

There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him

Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood, A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil, A false witness who utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.

Proverbs 6:16-19

Friday, December 14, 2007

Sutter's FOIA report

Update! I uploaded the letter from The National Personal Records Center!
Sutter spent his whole Navy "career" in Great Lakes, much of it with a nail on a stick on litter detail waiting to go home. I hope this makes him happy I posted the letter with letterhead. Lets see what fiction he can come up with now!

Sutter's FOIA report.

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Monday, October 1, 2007

Sutter's Grand Navy Career... a Fizzle

This should come as no surprise but the information request on Sutter confirms what I had begun to suspect. Sutter couldn't even make it a full year in his Navy enlistment. His actual dates of service were from October 22, 1975 to June 8th 1976. As Sutter says on his fictional biography "do the math" That is just short of eight months. And it was during a time of peace after the Vietnam war.

In short Sutter *never* was a Lieutenant Commander he did *not* spend 26 years in USN counterterrorism he was never in Afghanistan fighting the Taliban he never went to Naval War College or trained with the IDF. He *never earned *any* medals. He is a impostor who is who fraudulently claiming to be decorated Naval Officer. He has never received The Navy Cross, Medal of Valor, A Presidential Unit Citation, the Bronze Star a Combat Medal and four Purple Hearts.

I wonder if Sutter has ever heard of the Stolen Valor Act of 2005. Then there is the small problem of Sutter impersonating an officer. Maybe Sutter should be watching more NCIS.

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Wednesday, September 26, 2007

Wow! That didn't take long

The "Rev" has updated his post yet again today. You guys feel the love? I know I do! And he goes on to insinuate that I am some kind of pedophile. Let's see, I'm not the one with a MySpace profile full of friends who profess a fondness for bondage. Can anyone say "psychological projection"? Anyone? Bueller?

Ahh, it is so good to be loved. This nutjob thinks he is exposing me or something. Maybe he thinks I am part of that great clandestine cabal who are secretly working behind the scenes to take him down. Hell No! I don't want him to go away. That is like being glad that Seinfeld went off the air. Why would anyone want such great entertainment to go away?

Oh, and by the way, if an unconstitutional law is passed to 'protect the children' - that doesn't make it right!

It really warms the heart when one writes something that gets an emotional and passionate response. Even if that response is full of half-truths and out and out falsehoods. It at least lets one know that someone out there in the cyber-world is actually reading, and understanding the writings.

I guess the inventive and imaginative "Rev" Sutter didn't like my previous post in regarding his fantasizing about being interviewed by ICC investigators regarding people he has "exposed" in his diatribes. Must have touched a nerve or something because it didn't take him long to start in on attempting to 'out me' and try to say I am someone I'm not.

He has updated his site with some more drawn out rants and made up stuff. Accusing me, ME of writing poetry. What a laugh. I couldn't write a line of poetry to save my life. For the record, I am not amazeemee (amazeemee is a female according to the google profile), and I don't write poetry.

I think that BlogCharm would be interested to know that they are an "Internet dating service" as Sutter claims them to be. Go and visit them, then make your own decision. Please note, that Sutter didn't give anyone a link to Blogcharm, just the statement that it is what it is not.

A couple more quick things to set the record straight:
  1. I never said the content filters were unconstitutional.
  2. I never screamed that I was being blocked by content filters. I don't know if I am. I wouldn't know where to look.
  3. I don't pay much heed to Alexa, since when I have looked at my stats there, it says 100% of my visitors are from the USA, and I know by my server logs that is not the case at all.
  4. A blogroll is not spam
  5. I don't know that I have been blackholed. I wouldn't know where to find out if I was. Of course, Sutter doesn't say what that means, or source is statement, just throws it out there.
  6. I am Roman Catholic - but I don't claim to be any type of ordained minister in the Church "somewhere between a deacon and a priest" as Sutter has claimed to be.
  7. I make exceptional beer! You should try it sometime. And I haven't updated by beer making blog in quite a while. Thanks for reminding me Rev!
  8. He also forgot my programming blog. But since he probably didn't understand it, he figured it wasn't worth mentioning.

I don't know if any of my 'associates' are satanists. But even if it were true, what happened to all that tolerance he was just writing about several lines up?

Well, I've taken up enough of your time with this. But I do want to say again, that it really makes a guy feel good when his work can illicit such a passionate (even if false) response.

Look at, me, I'm getting all misty now *sniff* thank you so much for the notice "Rev" (oh, and the links to my sites, I love that part too).


Okay, wait, let me try some poetry:

Roses are red, violets are blue
Sutter spews lies
... uh ...
Oh boo hoo

See, I told you I couldn't write poetry to save my life. :)

Tuesday, September 25, 2007

Where does he come up with this stuff?


This guy, the "Rev" Jim Sutter, he comes up with the greatest tales. I wait with great anticipation to see what he will come up with next! Much of it is so priceless!

In a recent article "You'd Be Amazed Who's Reading this Blog" Sutter eludes to the possibility that people he is investigating (i.e. Foehammer, Robert Spencer, Lady Predator and Cristy Li) are going to be extradited to The Hague and charged with either "war crimes", "crimes against humanity" or both. Yeah, I know, this guy is a laugh riot! He could write for NBC and bring back "Must See TV" on Thursdays if he would put his imagination and talent into making stories for TV instead of trying to pass them off as fact for those that are gullible enough to fall for his fiction.

If you don't want to waste time reading his post, here is the Cliff Notes version:
Sutter is notified (by whom is a complete mystery) to expect contact from an investigator from the United Nations' International Criminal Court.
He spends two hours being interviewed by the ICC investigators.
He will not say who is being investigated or for what.
He gives all kinds of links which he says show that ordinary American citizens are subject to the ICC.

The implication is that if an American exercises their right to free speech (as the folks listed above do on a regular basis), then they can be extradited to The Hague and tried.

This is completely false. The only things Americans can be tried in the ICC for are war crimes and crimes against humanity. And only if those are 1) committed on foreign soil (i.e. not committed in the USA) and 2) the country in which the crimes were committed choose not to prosecute the individual.

Let us amuse ourselves a little and pretend that expressing one's First Amendment right is considered a "war crime" or a "crime against humanity" in some other country. It isn't, and we all know it isn't, but let's travel to Sutter's little land of Make Believe, and pretend it is. The ICC would still not have jurisdiction because they are doing their dastardly deeds in the USA. They reside in the USA, they have blogs on servers in the USA. And we have seen where Canadian bloggers are flocking to servers hosted in the USA to avoid Canadian restrictions on their so-called right to free speech.

We have also seen where the US Court of Appeals has held that an American's rights, as far as publishing goes, does not stop at the border.

I am completely certain that Mr. Sutter would like nothing more than for his fantasies of being interviewed by ICC investigators targeting American citizens, and that there is a grand clandestine cabal of people who are fervently working behind the scenes to take him down, to be true. But sadly, it is just isn't. None of it.


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Tuesday, September 11, 2007

When did the IDF Start Training the Disabled?

Over the years since Sutter first made his appearance on the web he had made many claims. I just thought we would do a little stroll down memory lane.

The first of Sutter's greatest hits is this little post he made in August of 1995
I am now a civilian, but I served my country, and received the Navy Cross, (the highest award from the Navy), the Dept of Defense Medal of Valor, and the Purple Heart. So I like to think that I am somewhat qualified to speak to "espirit de corps".

There is just one problem with Sutter's claim he just isn't on the
list of persons who received the Navy Cross. Oh well.

In May of 2004 Sutter posted this little gem on Bush_Kicks_A_S_S_on_Terrorism yahoo group (note Sutter has recently gone back into that group and deleted all the posts he made there...guilty conscience maybe?).

Let me tell you something that I do not talk about often. I have 4 Purple
Hearts. It took me 26 years of service to earn (yes, earn) them. I was nominated for them by my COs for injuries by hostile forces during combat, resulting in #1 the flesh burned off my legs from the feet to the knees, #2 having a bullet shatter my kneecap, #3 taking 4 bullets in the abdomen, resulting in loss of my gallbladder, part of my liver and intestines and #4 having my elbow shattered by a bullet and minutes later receiving an 8" knife wound in the same arm. Yet I completed my missions in all instances. I have so many prosthetic parts in me that my son calls me RoboPop. I didn't ask for the medals, I didn't ask to be removed from active duty or combat operations, and when I finally retired I put them away in a box with the rest of my medals, (including the Bronze Star, the Combat Medal, the Presidential Unit Citation and the Navy Cross) and left them locked away.

Sutter thinks by sanitizing the yahoo group of his posts he is somehow won't be pinned down for his lies....the only problem is I have a
PDF of his post. Not to mention Yahoo will always maintains the original posts in the event of a court order.

Then there is this wonderful post in March of 2006 by Sutter on the Yahoo group Down with Antisemitism (a group that he was kicked off and I'm still a member)

I spent 26 years in the USN CT ops, graduated the Naval War College, trained with the IDF, and spent more time tracking down and neutralizing terrorists than you have probably spent breathing. I have a solid comprehension of the cultures of the Middle East (along with many other cultures), I read and speak English, Arabic, Chinese (Cantonese), French, German, Italian, Japanese, Russian, Spanish, Latin and Greek. I have a Bachelor's in Nuclear Physics, a Masters in Modern Warfare, Masters in Theology, a Doctorate of Divinity, Doctorate of Biblical Studies, and Ph.D. in Trauma Psychology.
Any other silly questions?

another post on December 2006 he goes on to claim:

Actually, I'm fluent in several dialects of Arabic. I notice that, as usual, you fail to provide any factual information with which to support your claims. I, on the other hand, provided direct citations from the Qur'an.

Pretty impressive don't you think? He knows eleven languages or was it eight?

So you're a linguist too? Now I'm going to have to watch my wording or risk getting my knuckles smacked, I suppose. Can I still throw in an occasional quote in one of the eight language that I learned back in the Stone Age

Oh what does it matter eleven, eight, (maybe he was counting those several dialects of Arabic), it's all the same. And did you see; Sutter even trained with the IDF. I wonder if they knew he was disabled?

Sutter claims in March of 2006 to know some "very important people" like CIA director James Woolsey:

Tell Jim that the "Jolly Green Giant" said hello, and that he still owes me twenty bucks from the poker game. Oh, and if you want to keep claiming that you have met the director, you may want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I'm impressed aren't you? Sutter tells some pretty big whoppers!

On Oct 2006 he made this claim on a post to frontpagemag.com
"Let's see,. I only have 26 years in counterterrorism, more medals than you have brain cells, and three doctorates. Yep, you'all must be right, I musta just fell off the haywagon and bumped ma poor head.

On January 15, 2007 at noisyroom.net made another claim abut his qualifications in counter terrorism:
"During 26 years in the USN fighting terrorism, one of the most important lessons we learned was proper target acquisition".

On March 5th, 2007 in a post to the Daily Pundit he made this claim:
"After spending 26 years in counterterrorism, in ops against every kind of terrorist (I estimate that's about 26 years more than Bill Quick spent), I know how to recognize who is the enemy and who is not. Kaufman's tactic of smearing all Muslims as terrorists is not only ridiculous, it is targeted to play best with the uneducated, the fearful, the paranoid, those who check under their bed at night to make sure the bogey man isn't hiding there. Those who are smarter can easily recognize how Kaufman and his ilk play on your fears in order to make a fortune themselves. They don't give a care about you, they only care about their own pockets. That's just one reason why Kaufman is the subject of multiple law enforcement investigations. (BTW, I've been to Afghanistan under the Taliban, it's a shitty little country, probably always will be, but at least they are making some slow progress.)

On April, 2007 at The Bigsibling Blog Sutter again made this claim:

"I spent 26 years in USN counterterrorism, and guarantee that I have killed more terrorists than you have ever dreamed of.

Sutter also seems a little confused as to when he was active duty in the Navy. On Sutter's MySpace profile he claims he served from 1974 to 1996 (clue: the Navy doesn't have two year enlistments) yet on his Zoom page he claims he was USN Active Duty 1974 - 1980. Now that I have posted this I wonder how long it will take Sutter to fix his MySpace profile? It doesn't matter I have a PDF of it any way.

Oh and the little matter of Sutter saying he isn't claiming to be a Navy Seal. Well who does he think does counter terrorisms in the Navy? When Sutter says he was "USN CT ops" he is in fact claiming to be a Navy Seal. Not to mention there is this silliness. Sutter posted pictures of a GI Joe doll saying it was him from his "Navy days" he even labeled the picture JimSeal. Oh no Sutter wasn't claiming to be a Navy Seal was he?

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Tuesday, August 28, 2007

Sutter's rants are not getting any more intelligent...

In this latest post, the 'Rev.' Jim Sutter makes some humongous leaps of logic, and many glaring mis-conclusions.

First off is his use of the word 'racism'. Dictionary.com defines racism as:
rac·ism (ra'siz'?m)

  1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
  2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.

Now Sutter states in his article:
However, CAIR was far from the first to complain about his racism, and his racism encompasses at least four religions.

How can one be racist against a religion ( or religions ) that encompass many different races? By this statement, Sutter is saying that Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses, or Scientologists or Muslims are only of one race. That is by far a more bigoted stereotypical statement than I have seen or heard in quite awhile. I am certain that the black, Asian, et al. members of the aforementioned religions would be greatly offended by his assumption, and outright declaration, that these religions allow only one race to participate.

He takes what the TV station that canceled Keller says as gospel. I mean, why wouldn't a television station just come right out and say "yeah, we cow-towed to the Muslims (or other special interests), and we'll do it again." No, the television station would do everything it can to keep people from knowing that if the minority flavor of the month (it is Muslims at this point) complain, they will give in.

Furthermore, he draws all the wrong conclusions from the story. But I can't ask him about it on his site, because he doesn't allow my comments to get through, that is why I'm here. Maybe he can read this, and answer some of my question. While I'm certain he will read this, I'm almost equally certain, he will remain silent because his bigotry and hate cannot survive in the light of truth and facts.

He closes with this remark:
A miscellaneous question - why is it that bigots scream that they are protected by Free Speech, yet no one else is? Whenever anyone tries to object to their bigotry, it’s "jihad", "terror tactics", "censorship" or something similar.

Since you can't seem to figure it out Jimmy, I'll tell you why people scream "censorship" in a case like this, and in all of your cases. Because you and CAIR and the others in your corner are not simply objecting to the speech of others. You are not simply saying "what you are saying is wrong and here is why." No, what you and CAIR and the others in your corner are doing is one of the most Un-American things I can think of to do. That is you are trying to completely shut down those who speak up in opposition to your viewpoint. You would like nothing better than for all speech that you deem wrong to be shut down and silenced...forever. You and CAIR and those in your corner would like only acceptable speech - that which you people deem acceptable, to be uttered. And it is terror tactics, and you are completely and unabashedly guilty of this, calling someone a racist when they, in fact, are not and are only espousing differing viewpoints. You hope that by pulling out the ad-hominem attack of calling someone a racist, it will frighten (terrorize) them into submission. That by (completely) misusing the term to attack your detractors, they will back down for fear (terror) of being labeled a racist. So, yes, it is terror tactics you use, and it is called so justly.

In addition, when CAIR demands the silencing of those who point out that Islamofacists exist, and they are a danger not only to the American way of life, but the free world as a whole, that is jihadist in nature. They declare war on anyone who doesn't say that Islam is a perfect religion of peace. That, Jimmy, is why people say what they do, and respond as they respond. Not because they disagree with what you say, it is your actions, specifically, the actions of attempting to shut down any detractors, that cause them to cry foul.

Saturday, August 25, 2007

The Felon Who Refuses to Learn From Past Mistakes

Sutter is making some very serious allegations on his blog, below are his accusations:

For example, the "former law clerk" who sent me an email, making a "quid pro quo" threat that meets every single element of the felony crime of extortion, and putting it in writing!

Another example, the person who today sent me an email with a not-so-subtle statement that if I exposed his hate mongering, he would tell people that I was a child molester - admitting he had no evidence, no facts, but who cares, right? I think someone will care about his stupidly using his employer's Internet access to make such a threat, and even using it to maintain his ultra-racist site. Especially since the CEO of the company he works for is a minority, holding numerous government contracts. And I know for a fact that the police care, because I've already passed it along.

Another example, I'm told (and it is being investigated by the proper authorities) is that money has changed hands to try to get someone from my past to deny something. (I have the specifics, but I - and others - will wait to see if the actual felony is committed - we should know on Sept 4th.) Unfortunately, you've wasted your money, he ratted you out. He loves controversy, and you handed it to him on a platter. What you think he's going to deny is in my hands, in writing, with his original signature on it, along with the witness signature, and was verified and kept in the custody of the State of Ohio - and has been there for years, since a few days after it was originally signed.

I suspect this has all been generated by Robert Spencer's announcement that he will be on Pastor Ernie Sanders radio show. The sad part is Sutter has a history of making false allegations. Sutter was put on three years probation by a federal court for lying to the FBI about being harassed. Sutter was working for the Cleveland, Ohio BBB as a trade specialist and was investigating Edward Ohlson when he claimed he received a death threat. Sutter reported that he got a one-page letter that read, in part: "Sutter: Testify on [Edward LaMonte Ohlson] and die. Sutter also reported that he was followed by a car licensed to Ohlson's wife, Rose Ellen and gave the FBI the license number of a car that belonged to Rose Ellen Ohlson. There was just one problem with that. It seems that Mrs. Ohlson's car was inoperable for two years. Opps Sutter caught in another lie. Oh and that "death threat" well Sutter sent it to himself!

In fact it also looks like Sutter also lied about the BBB offices being burglarized where he claimed part of Ohlson's file was stolen.

Sutter was forced to resign from the BBB Aug. 13. Sutter pleaded guilty Sept. 17 before U.S. District Judge George W. White, who sentenced him to , and 60 days of house detention and three years probation.

As a result of Sutter's criminal behavior Sutter and the Cleveland BBB became defendants in a $18.1 million lawsuit. Ohlson wasn't happy being arrested as a result of Sutter's false reports to the FBI.

And now Sutter is doing his best to repeat his illegal behaviors. It seems to me the person who needs the stupid award is Sutter himself.

Update: 8/27 Cristy Li has a few comments to make to Sutter about his lies about her as well. Read Open Letter to the "Reverend" Jim Sutter.

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Wednesday, August 22, 2007

Robert Spencer on Ernie Sanders' show!

  • This just in! Robert Spencer will be on Pastor Ernie Sanders radio show on Sept. 4 at 9:30PM. Besides Robert Spencer's excellent new book; Religion of Peace?: Why Christianity Is and Islam Isn't(which I have just begun) the other topic of discussion; the phony Rev himself. According to an email I received from Mr. Spencer, Pastor Ernie Sanders confirmed to him everything I have said about Jim Sutter.
Sutter is mentally ill, and has cooked up lies about many, many people. He is, said Pastor Ernie, a danger to himself and to others.

Don't forget everyone Sept. 4 at 9:30PM on WHKW 1220 AM in Cleveland, Ohio you can listen live. Call in numbers: 216-901-0933 or Toll Free 888-677-9673.

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A conversation with 'Rev.' Sutter

The following is a conversation as it transpired via e-mail between myself and the 'Rev.' Jim Sutter. It all started out as a comment I tried to post on his blog, but he doesn't allow my comments through any longer. So much for open and honest debate of issues and what-not. Please note, that he seems to have no problems not allowing me to comment on his blog, but he cries and screams and throws a tantrum when other people try to keep his particular flavor of vitriol from their blogs.

First, I want to state that I tried to give the 'Rev.' Sutter an opportunity to keep our e-mail conversation just between us. I sent him the following e-mail on 26 July, 2007.
I would like to make our email exchange public. If you disagree with this, or do not want them them to be published. Please tell me you would not like that to transpire. If you do not explicitly tell me not to publish them, I will assume that you have no problems with them being published.

= Bigsibling

I'm thinking that nearly a month is plenty of time for him to let me know he didn't want the conversation published, so here it goes:
Bigsibling has left a new comment on your post " Hate Speech vs. Free Speech":

Since I am in America, and my server is in America, I'm pretty darned certain that American laws alone pertain to me. For instance, if I call Mohammed a child molester, the folks over in Saudi Arabia can't do squat (legally, I guess they could send someone over to blow up my house). My blog, BTW, is proudly banned in China!

He said:
Unfortunately for you, the American legal system holds a different opinion (see Yahoo case information) and your blog is banned or blocked in far more countries than China. The Saudis and being blocked in most foreign countries are the least of your problems, though, because the new EU laws and the growing awareness by American ISPs and web hosting services of the dangers of hate speech has started a very fast movement to shut sites such as your down. If you think Free Speech will protect your hate speech, think again. The US Supreme Court has ruled that ISPs and web hosting companies can shut down anyone who violates whatever rules the ISP or hosting company choose to set, and almost every one of them has rules against racism. We're now seeing this movement expand to firewalls, anti-viruses, Web filtering companies, gateways, router firewalls, servers (even your MS server). Most of the major ISPs and search engines in the US are moving to block such sites so that their users don't have to be subjected to racist material.
I see the ban has already had its effect on your site. Your traffic is down 28% in the last 3 months, and you're averaging 8.1 unique page views per day.

I said:
You are so full of caca man, it isn't even funny. One of the great things about being an American citizen is that I am subject to the laws of the United States of America, and not to the laws of the EU, or the UAE or Iraq, or Iran or China or anywhere else. If what you claim is true, then it would certainly cover anyone preaching the Gospel via blogs or other internet methods. Because in many countries, preaching the Gospel is punishable by death. In fact, just being the Reverend you purport to be is enough in some places to have you beheaded. So it seems you are saying that we are subjected to the laws and mores of other countries, when in fact we are not.

And I am my own hosting company, so I'm pretty sure I'm not going to shut myself down. I have never heard of an ISP closing an account for anything posted or said that was not illegal. I could be wrong,...but I'm not.

He said:
Wow, your ignorance is amazing. I presented the laws governing hate speech on the internet, I presented the primary court case showing that American courts recognize and honor the anti-hate speech laws of foreign countries, I presented the US Supreme Court case, you're well aware by now of the massive number of hate speech sites that have been shut down, blocked, banned or filtered in recent months, and yet you're still in denial. I'm sure you're also aware of the criminal convictions in the USA for crimes associated with hate speech (as I already listed, even providing the statute number.)
Try asking the CEO of Yahoo about how foreign laws cannot affect Americans. Yahoo has their own servers, too. Yahoo is much, much bigger, more powerful, more influential, and can afford much better lawyers than you, and they still lost, and had to pay the fine and take down the hate speech that was ruled illegal when viewed in France. You think you can do a better job than him? Ask the CEOs of AOL, MSN, Microsoft, Earthlink, Comcast, RoadRunner, Google, Bellsouth, and other American ISPs if the laws of Europe can affect their American users, and why they're in a huge rush to shut down or block hate sites. Ask the search engines, the anti-virus companies, the web filtering companies, and you'll get the same two answers from all of them: (1) They're tired of the idiots posting hatred, and (2) They want to remain in business in other countries. It's not just the EU that has anti-hate laws, it's almost every major country in the world.
Oh, and that server you're using? Wait till you get the software update in the near future. MS & Linux are both building blockers into their servers. You should be getting used to this, you're already blacklisted.
Carlos, it doesn't matter if you own your own hosting company, because gateways, firewalls, anti-virus, anti-spam and anti-malware programs are now blocking hate sites, internet filters are blocking hate sites, ISPs are blocking their readers from being able to access hate sites, the movement to end hate speech is progressing much faster than hate speech itself.
As to your "false dilemmas", the Bible and normal religious preaching is not hate speech, it does not meet the definition, which is very carefully laid out. It is only when a pattern of lies and deception is used to target a group of people for feminization, discrimination and incitement against them that it becomes hate speech.
You are showing the very typical denial of facts and reality that is also shown by neo-Nazis, anti-immigration extremists, Islamophobes and racists. Your time is limited, the world has awakened to the evil you represent, to the dangers of hate speech, and the world is finally taking action.

I said:
Dang Jimbo, I try to be cordial, but you just won't let me. You are showing your vast and enormous ignorance here. I work for ISPs and have worked for and with them for years. ISPs do not filter content. AT&T Yahoo, RoadRunner, Comcast, COX, and a myriad of dialups do not filter content period. Many have wanted to filter content, but by filter any content, they increase their liability. Here is how it works, if AT&T Yahoo decides they are going to filter...say...sites that espouse an argument that whites are better than blacks. But then one of those sites happens to get through their filters, then they are liable for that. They do, however, provide free of charge, third party software which filters websites and the like. That is the way they are protecting people.

Rev, you can stick your head in the sand all day long. But in the end, you are wrong, plain and simple. Speaking up against injustice, and crying foul when one group of people actively and openly promote the destruction of another group of people is not hate speech. Unpopular speech is not hate speech. Every time someone says something you find offensive, it is not hate speech. You use that label like some people use the racist label. If I say a black man robbed me, I am racist because I mentioned the guy that robbed me was black? If I point out that every single one of the people that perpetrated 9/11 was a Muslim, and continue on to show that there are more than a handful of Muslims that want to kill all non-Muslims (and especially Jews) that is hate speech? I don't get it.

I thank the good and everlasting God above that you and your kind were not around (or at least not listened too) when all that anti-British hate speech was being bantered around 230 years ago. If the anti-British hate speech mongers had been silenced back then, we'd all have the Queen on our monies, and be flying the Union Jack instead of Old Glory.

Oh, and just so you know, according to Google analytics, my blogs gets regular traffic from Saudi Arabia and other Middle Eastern countries. Oh, but that can't be, becauseI am banned all over the stinking place.

LOL you just have to keep on with the lies and the innuendos and letting people think that you can actually do things like write spiders that track people's posts and see their website stats when you don't have access.

There is word my kids use for people like you...POSER!


Later Sparky

He said:
You couldn't be more wrong. I don't know if you're just uneducated on the topic or if you're trying to convince yourself of something you know isn't true, or if you're trying to snow me. I know for a fact that ISPs filter content, block websites, shut down websites, close out user IDs, and it is all covered under their Terms of Service and Authorized Use Policy. The Hatewatch group to which I belong has been responsible for getting AOL, Earthlink and Yahoo to shut down close to 50 websites in the last year alone. The ISPs are working on their own to identify and shut down hate sites.
Since you "claim" to work for ISPs, you should be aware that they are protected under Section 230 of the CDA, but only if they make a reasonable effort to enforce their TOS/AUP. "Reasonable" means if one or two slip by them, they bear no responsibility.
Slashdot | AOL Blocking Spammers' Web Sites
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AOL Blocks Links from LiveJournal

Posted by michael on Fri Aug 29, '03 06:45 PM
from the clue-not-found dept.
Evan Martin writes "LiveJournal.com is an open-source weblog site with over a million users, some of whom use AOL. Last week, AOL began blocking all HTTP requests with "www.livejournal.com" Referer headers. This is a common practice by image hosting sites to prevent off-site linking of their images and 'bandwidth theft'. However, in AOL's case, they're blocking everything, not just images, effectively breaking all links to any AOL member's site--but only from LiveJournal. To be clear: nobody on LiveJournal can even make a link to any AOL member site without getting a '404 Not Found' error. We've also heard reports of the same thing happening on AOL properties (Netscape, Compuserve). This concerns us because we have to deal with the support requests: it worked in the past for our users, and it continues to work for other sites, so our users think it's our fault."
Special Note: Without giving any exlanation, the AOL block on emails which included the name of our website was lifted on April 10th. ...
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And finally I said:
Your links are terribly misleading, and border on the absurd. Granted, I did not follow each and every one, but the ones I did follow talk about MSN, Yahoo and Google blocking sites with words like "democracy" and "human rights" in CHINA. Sorry Sparky, I don't live in China. And they block those because in order to do business there, they have to. That is the difference between a free society and an oppresive society. Your blog is blocked in China too.

One of them starts to talk about AOL blocking sites, but when one clicks the link to "read more" they are taken to a completely different site talking about Iran not wanting to give up uranium enrichment (the exact kind of thing you rail against - go figure).

One of them is almost two years old, and since the guy it talks about is still kicking, it seems that this consipracy theory nut had a problem with is host and no one could get to his sites. But he is back up and running now. So the article...posted on a nutcase conspriacy theory George Bush flew the planes into the towers before he blew them up with explosives website, and is not verifiable in ANY other source via a Google search.

And yet another one is about India blocking blogspot and geocities sites. Again, this affects your blog as well. This is not Google or Yahoo doing the blocking, but India, the soveriegn nation. And once again, I'll point out the difference between living in a free and open society, and one where someone can serve jail time for kissing on the television (Google "Richard Gere" and "India" for more details - I'm not doing your homework for you)

The one about Virginia ISPs was because they improperly applied spam mail filters, and ended up blocking tons of sites, not just a select few that produce what you claim to be hate speech. And again, the incident was in 2000 - SEVEN years ago. And AboveNet (from the article) went bankrupt in 2002. I think we can infer why that happened. The other one was a Canadian company, and now an Indian company, a mere shadow of its former self (again, I believe it is safe to infer what happened here).

And the one about ATT/AOL are there attempts at keeping their own customers from entering phishing sites. They simple re-directed known phishing addresses to a page with an explanation. Not blocking hate content as you want me to believe.

And the AOL censoring the WantToKnow.info site, wasn't blocking a site at all, but rather blocking email from that domain. This is common. A domain is listed on what is called a "Realtime Black List". The RBL contains a list of domains known to be used for spam, an ISP subscribes to that, and then every email from that domain is blocked. But there is no mention of the actual website being unavailable to AOL customers.

The AOL/Live Journal had nothing to do with content, but everything to do with bandwith theft.

And you might want to read section 230 of the CDA again. It provides immunity because the service provider is considered to not be a publisher, not only if they make reasonable effort.

I have to wonder, did you even read the articles you presented as evidence to your claims? Or did you just google something and post the hits verbatim, sans verification, in the hopes that the plethora of information might bamboozle me into thinking you were being honest?

You know, sometimes people will do their homework. And when you send out misleading and bogus links as evidence of your twisted view of reality, it only makes you seem desperate and perhaps a little kooky.

But from my gmail account, this would not go through the message I got from AOL said: (emphasis mine)

Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery. The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could not be delivered. The next line contains a second error message which is a general translation for other e-mail servers. Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail administrator. --AOL Postmaster

----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-md02.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:<seeker8143@aol.com>
550 5.1.1 <seeker8143@aol.com>... User unknown

Final-Recipient: RFC822; seeker8143@aol.com
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; air-md02.mail.aol.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 seeker8143 IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:14:55 -0400

What a guy! So much for his open attitude, he has blocked my google mail address from sending him mail. No probs though, as I sent it to him with my hotmail account. Which actually got a response ( in two seperate messages) here is what he said:
And you might want to read section 230 of the CDA again. It provides immunity because the service provider is considered to not be a publisher, not only if they make reasonable effort.

Apparently you haven't followed the 9th Circuit's rulings on Section 230. But that's okay, live in denial. If you're relying on your hosting business to support your family, start reading the classifieds, as the world is done with racist nonsense.

n a message dated 7/25/2007 7:24:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, bigsibling@hotmail.com writes:
You know, sometimes people will do their homework. And when you send out misleading and bogus links as evidence of your twisted view of reality, it only makes you seem desperate and perhaps a little kooky.

How about a test? I'll send your racist mail to MSN, and when they yank your account you can try claiming that ISPs cannot penalize people for hate speech.

To which I attempted to reply:
My racist mail? What on earth are you talking about? But I'm pretty sure you won't get this message anyway since you seem to so much enjoy blocking email from people you can't intimidate.

Which then gave me the expected response: (emphasis mine)
The original message was received at Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:08:36 -0400 (EDT)
from bay0-omc3-s40.bay0.hotmail.com []


Your e-mail is being returned to you because there was a problem with its
delivery. The address which was undeliverable is listed in the section
labeled: "----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----".

The reason your mail is being returned to you is listed in the section
labeled: "----- Transcript of Session Follows -----".

The line beginning with "<<<" describes the specific reason your e-mail could not be delivered. The next line contains a second error message which is a general translation for other e-mail servers. Please direct further questions regarding this message to your e-mail administrator. --AOL Postmaster ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors -----

----- Transcript of session follows -----
... while talking to air-yc03.mail.aol.com.:
>>> RCPT To:
550 ... User unknown

Whew, this took a while to compile and compose!!!