Sutter lies are becoming more obvious as time progresses

The "Rev." Sutter has posted an update in his smear campaign against my friend Lady Predator. So, in her defense, I am going to dispel his lies and fallacies.

First he states that Lady Pred's MySpace page has been removed. This is a complete lie. I was just there a few minutes ago (see, I have this thing about gathering facts). If you try to go to the URL he gives for her MySpace page, you won't get there. Why? Because the URL is a bogus URL which does not exist in the WHOIS database.

UPDATE: 8/16/07 Ms. Runyon's MySpace page which was formerly at myspace.com-ladypredator.com, which was a mirror of her hate sites, has been removed by MySpace administrators.

(emphasis added)
For those not in the know (and this may or may not include Jimmy S. ) A URL has several parts. The main part is what is called the Top Level Domain - or TLD. That is the part that immediately precedes, and includes the extension. There are are plethora of extensions available, but the most common is .com, but there are also, .net, .us, .org...you get the picture. So the TLD for this site, for example, would be "blogspot.com". What comes before the blogspot is called a sub-domain. And browsers today assume that if the user did not type "www" before the rest of the address, that is what is meant, so the "www." is really not necessary any longer.

Okay, armed with factual information about how the web works, we look at the address that Jimmy has given for Lady Pred's MySpace account - myspace.com-ladypredator.com

Now, let us dissect this address. We know the extension given is ".com", before that would be the domain name - which in this case would be "com-ladypredator", and before that the sub-domain.

Doing a quick "whois" search with Network Solutions reveals that the domain "com-ladypredator.com" is available for purchase (or, rather, rent, but don't get me started on that).

Congratulations! The following domains are available
Select available checkboxes to add domains to your order:
com-ladypredator

• .com
• .net
• .mobi
• .org
• .us
• .info
• .biz
• .tv
• .ws
• .bz
• .de
• .co.uk

At any rate. The lying "man of God" (isn't bearing false witness against one of those commandment things?) wants everyone to believe that Lady Pred's MySpace page is no longer available, and his proof is an address, to a domain that does not exist anywhere on the Internet. Lady Pred's MySpace page is actually at "http://www.myspace.com/ladypredator" and anyone can get to it (that is, if your work does not filter MySpace).

His claim about this would be the same as my saying "Blogspot has removed Rev Sutter's hate filled anti-American site because going to the URL http://hatewatchhallof.shame.blogspot.com/ gives you a 404!"

Also, Ms. Runyon's main website at http://ladypredator.com, has now been blocked by another of the major web content filtering services, allowing the hatred there to be blocked from view by schools, libraries, corporations, users of various ISPs, agencies and entities totaling a little over 930,000 in the USA alone.

Notice please, that Jimmy does not give any reference to what "major web content filtering service" he is speaking of. He gives no source for his information. He simply states it as fact and I guess everyone is supposed to believe him.

Note: It is rather amusing that the lying Rev would post that, as *no* one can see my message board unless they join. He is annoyed that he has no clue what is on that message board.

The fact is, I know that libraries do not filter content. ISPs in general do not filter content. They offer tools to allow users to filter content, but the ISPs do not filter the content. They are service providers, not content providers.

Lady Pred's site (http://ladypredator.com) is a forum or discussion board (sorry for not dropping by more often LP). Most corporations I know of filter the majority of forums. This is not because of the content of the forums, it is because they want their employees working and not chatting it up online when they should be working.

He completes his update with:

It is rumored that Microsoft is moving forward with development of a filter for Internet Explorer that will block hate speech, racist writings, pornography, and sites espousing violent religious extremism. Once activated, which will happen with a routine update, trying to access these sites will result in a 404 page.

So now Microsoft is going to take on the role of the net nanny? What kind of crack are they selling in Ohio these days? Microsoft filtering content. What a laugh. Again, please note that he does not give any source for this statement. He doesn't give a link or a quote from anyone. He simply states it, and I suppose everyone is supposed to think it is true.


Let us recap the lies contained in this update:

1. Lady Pred's MySpace page is not a mirror of anything (in fact, it is woefully empty).

Note: My MySpace profile was taken down *again* but the phony rev gives himself away as the pathetic loser he. There is *no* hate speech on the profile. But there are links to Blogs Sutter personality disapproves of. Every two four weeks the profile get deleted and I just put it back up links and all. Here is the new page which is exactly like the old page Note the lack of hate speech. Sutter's definition of hate speech is a link to my message board, Foehammer's Anvil and TheReligionofPeace.com However this little gem provides proof of Sutter's stalking and will be added to the identity theft criminal report I filed on him. Also now MySpace has the name of the Sheriff and the report number of the criminal complaint I made regarding Sutter.

1. He wants everyone to believe that a URL that has never existed is proof that MySpace has closed her page (again, I was just there a few minutes ago, and it is alive and kicking).


2. He emphatically states that a "major web content filtering service" has blocked content from ladypredator.com - but refuses to reveal whom it was, or where his information comes from. (okay, that one may not be a lie, but there is no way to verify it - and given that everything else is a lie, I find it safe and prudent to accept this statement as a lie also)

1. That Microsoft is setting itself up to be the thought police, the Ministry of Truth, so to speak.

ed: Fixed link to the HDDWeb document. - bigisibling


Stay Free, and Stay Sane People!
=Bigsibling

More delusional droppings from the pretend “man of God”

--> Sutter must think the few people who rubberneck at his blog must have single digit IQ’s. He has now made the claim that I tried to hire attorney Murdoch Herzog (how would he know this? ESP?) to sue him because he “exposed my (non-existent) conviction for human trafficking”. Besides never having heard of this attorney, Herzog is licensed in Minnesota. I live in North Carolina, Sutter lives in Ohio. The only two places I would hire an attorney to sue Mr. Sutter would either be in North Carolina or Ohio. I’ve already looked into a defamation lawsuit; however Sutter lives off the government dole and has no assets. It would cost me a minimum of $10,000 to sue him. I have better uses for my money.

There will be an update concerning Sutter's fiction about my "conviction for human trafficking” I have received a letter from the Attorney General of the Ukraine informing that the criminal case was closed on 06/10/2008 by the public prosecutor’s office in the city of Kiev due to the absence of crime in my actions. However I need a more official document which my attorney in the Ukraine is getting for me. I will post it and a translation as soon as I get it .

The Fraudulent "Rev" Perjurs Himself and Abuses the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)

Those of us who know the pretend "rev" and Navy Seal impostor are not surprised at that he would lie to keep the truth about himself off the web and away from the public. Mr Sutter like many frauds on the web today has been abusing the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) to stop freedom of speech and prevent the truth about him being revealed to the public. Mr. Sutter LIED in order to get snapshots of himself pulled off several different web severs. Mr. Sutter is the subject of these snapshots not the copyright owner as he claims. My use those photos is legally protected because it falls within the "fair use" provision of the copyright regulations, as defined in 17 USC 107. Perhaps Mr. Sutter needs a refresher course in copyright laws.

Question: Can the subject of a photograph use the DMCA 512 takedown process?

Answer: Generally, no. Only the copyright owner or an authorized representative of the copyright owner can send a DMCA takedown notice. The copyright in a photograph belongs initially to the person who took the photo, not the person who is pictured. Unless the photo subject has gotten an assignment of copyright or permission to act on behalf of the photographer, it is improper for him or her to send a DMCA takedown notice.

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Where does he come up with this stuff?

BRILLIANT! Absolutely BRILLIANT!

This guy, the "Rev" Jim Sutter, he comes up with the greatest tales. I wait with great anticipation to see what he will come up with next! Much of it is so priceless!

In a recent article "You'd Be Amazed Who's Reading this Blog" Sutter eludes to the possibility that people he is investigating (i.e. Foehammer, Robert Spencer, Lady Predator and Cristy Li) are going to be extradited to The Hague and charged with either "war crimes", "crimes against humanity" or both. Yeah, I know, this guy is a laugh riot! He could write for NBC and bring back "Must See TV" on Thursdays if he would put his imagination and talent into making stories for TV instead of trying to pass them off as fact for those that are gullible enough to fall for his fiction.

If you don't want to waste time reading his post, here is the Cliff Notes version:
Sutter is notified (by whom is a complete mystery) to expect contact from an investigator from the United Nations' International Criminal Court.
He spends two hours being interviewed by the ICC investigators.
He will not say who is being investigated or for what.
He gives all kinds of links which he says show that ordinary American citizens are subject to the ICC.

The implication is that if an American exercises their right to free speech (as the folks listed above do on a regular basis), then they can be extradited to The Hague and tried.

This is completely false. The only things Americans can be tried in the ICC for are war crimes and crimes against humanity. And only if those are 1) committed on foreign soil (i.e. not committed in the USA) and 2) the country in which the crimes were committed choose not to prosecute the individual.

Let us amuse ourselves a little and pretend that expressing one's First Amendment right is considered a "war crime" or a "crime against humanity" in some other country. It isn't, and we all know it isn't, but let's travel to Sutter's little land of Make Believe, and pretend it is. The ICC would still not have jurisdiction because they are doing their dastardly deeds in the USA. They reside in the USA, they have blogs on servers in the USA. And we have seen where Canadian bloggers are flocking to servers hosted in the USA to avoid Canadian restrictions on their so-called right to free speech.

We have also seen where the US Court of Appeals has held that an American's rights, as far as publishing goes, does not stop at the border.

I am completely certain that Mr. Sutter would like nothing more than for his fantasies of being interviewed by ICC investigators targeting American citizens, and that there is a grand clandestine cabal of people who are fervently working behind the scenes to take him down, to be true. But sadly, it is just isn't. None of it.

=Bigsibling


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When did the IDF Start Training the Disabled?

Over the years since Sutter first made his appearance on the web he had made many claims. I just thought we would do a little stroll down memory lane.

The first of Sutter's greatest hits is this little post he made in August of 1995

I am now a civilian, but I served my country, and received the Navy Cross, (the highest award from the Navy), the Dept of Defense Medal of Valor, and the Purple Heart. So I like to think that I am somewhat qualified to speak to "espirit de corps".

There is just one problem with Sutter's claim he just isn't on the list of persons who received the Navy Cross. Oh well.

In May of 2004 Sutter posted this little gem on Bush_Kicks_A_S_S_on_Terrorism yahoo group (note Sutter has recently gone back into that group and deleted all the posts he made there...guilty conscience maybe?).

Let me tell you something that I do not talk about often. I have 4 Purple Hearts. It took me 26 years of service to earn (yes, earn) them. I was nominated for them by my COs for injuries by hostile forces during combat, resulting in #1 the flesh burned off my legs from the feet to the knees, #2 having a bullet shatter my kneecap, #3 taking 4 bullets in the abdomen, resulting in loss of my gallbladder, part of my liver and intestines and #4 having my elbow shattered by a bullet and minutes later receiving an 8" knife wound in the same arm. Yet I completed my missions in all instances. I have so many prosthetic parts in me that my son calls me RoboPop. I didn't ask for the medals, I didn't ask to be removed from active duty or combat operations, and when I finally retired I put them away in a box with the rest of my medals, (including the Bronze Star, the Combat Medal, the Presidential Unit Citation and the Navy Cross) and left them locked away.

Sutter thinks by sanitizing the yahoo group of his posts he is somehow won't be pinned down for his lies....the only problem is I have a PDF of his post. Not to mention Yahoo will always maintains the original posts in the event of a court order.

Then there is this wonderful post in March of 2006 by Sutter on the Yahoo group Down with Antisemitism (a group that he was kicked off and I'm still a member)

I spent 26 years in the USN CT ops, graduated the Naval War College, trained with the IDF, and spent more time tracking down and neutralizing terrorists than you have probably spent breathing. I have a solid comprehension of the cultures of the Middle East (along with many other cultures), I read and speak English, Arabic, Chinese (Cantonese), French, German, Italian, Japanese, Russian, Spanish, Latin and Greek. I have a Bachelor's in Nuclear Physics, a Masters in Modern Warfare, Masters in Theology, a Doctorate of Divinity, Doctorate of Biblical Studies, and Ph.D. in Trauma Psychology. Any other silly questions?

In another post on December 2006 he goes on to claim:

Actually, I'm fluent in several dialects of Arabic. I notice that, as usual, you fail to provide any factual information with which to support your claims. I, on the other hand, provided direct citations from the Qur'an.

Pretty impressive don't you think? He knows eleven languages or was it eight?

So you're a linguist too? Now I'm going to have to watch my wording or risk getting my knuckles smacked, I suppose. Can I still throw in an occasional quote in one of the eight language that I learned back in the Stone Age

Oh what does it matter eleven, eight, (maybe he was counting those several dialects of Arabic), it's all the same. And did you see; Sutter even trained with the IDF. I wonder if they knew he was disabled?

Sutter claims in March of 2006 to know some "very important people" like CIA director James Woolsey:

Tell Jim that the "Jolly Green Giant" said hello, and that he still owes me twenty bucks from the poker game. Oh, and if you want to keep claiming that you have met the director, you may want to learn to spell his name correctly.

I'm impressed aren't you? Sutter tells some pretty big whoppers!

On Oct 2006 he made this claim on a post to frontpagemag.com

"Let's see,. I only have 26 years in counterterrorism, more medals than you have brain cells, and three doctorates. Yep, you'all must be right, I musta just fell off the haywagon and bumped ma poor head.

On January 15, 2007 at noisyroom.net made another claim abut his qualifications in counter terrorism:

"During 26 years in the USN fighting terrorism, one of the most important lessons we learned was proper target acquisition".

On March 5th, 2007 in a post to the Daily Pundit he made this claim:

"After spending 26 years in counterterrorism, in ops against every kind of terrorist (I estimate that's about 26 years more than Bill Quick spent), I know how to recognize who is the enemy and who is not. Kaufman's tactic of smearing all Muslims as terrorists is not only ridiculous, it is targeted to play best with the uneducated, the fearful, the paranoid, those who check under their bed at night to make sure the bogey man isn't hiding there. Those who are smarter can easily recognize how Kaufman and his ilk play on your fears in order to make a fortune themselves. They don't give a care about you, they only care about their own pockets. That's just one reason why Kaufman is the subject of multiple law enforcement investigations. (BTW, I've been to Afghanistan under the Taliban, it's a shitty little country, probably always will be, but at least they are making some slow progress.)

On April, 2007 at The Bigsibling Blog Sutter again made this claim:

"I spent 26 years in USN counterterrorism, and guarantee that I have killed more terrorists than you have ever dreamed of.

Sutter also seems a little confused as to when he was active duty in the Navy. On Sutter's MySpace profile he claims he served from 1974 to 1996 (clue: the Navy doesn't have two year enlistments) yet on his Zoom page he claims he was USN Active Duty 1974 - 1980. Now that I have posted this I wonder how long it will take Sutter to fix his MySpace profile? It doesn't matter I have a PDF of it any way.

Oh and the little matter of Sutter saying he isn't claiming to be a Navy Seal. Well who does he think does counter terrorisms in the Navy? When Sutter says he was "USN CT ops" he is in fact claiming to be a Navy Seal. Not to mention there is this silliness. Sutter posted pictures of a GI Joe doll saying it was him from his "Navy days" he even labeled the picture JimSeal. Oh no Sutter wasn't claiming to be a Navy Seal was he?

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The Felon Who Refuses to Learn From Past Mistakes

Sutter is making some very serious allegations on his blog, below are his accusations:

For example, the "former law clerk" who sent me an email, making a "quid pro quo" threat that meets every single element of the felony crime of extortion, and putting it in writing!

Another example, the person who today sent me an email with a not-so-subtle statement that if I exposed his hate mongering, he would tell people that I was a child molester - admitting he had no evidence, no facts, but who cares, right? I think someone will care about his stupidly using his employer's Internet access to make such a threat, and even using it to maintain his ultra-racist site. Especially since the CEO of the company he works for is a minority, holding numerous government contracts. And I know for a fact that the police care, because I've already passed it along.

Another example, I'm told (and it is being investigated by the proper authorities) is that money has changed hands to try to get someone from my past to deny something. (I have the specifics, but I - and others - will wait to see if the actual felony is committed - we should know on Sept 4th.) Unfortunately, you've wasted your money, he ratted you out. He loves controversy, and you handed it to him on a platter. What you think he's going to deny is in my hands, in writing, with his original signature on it, along with the witness signature, and was verified and kept in the custody of the State of Ohio - and has been there for years, since a few days after it was originally signed.

I suspect this has all been generated by Robert Spencer's announcement that he will be on Pastor Ernie Sanders radio show. The sad part is Sutter has a history of making false allegations. Sutter was put on three years probation by a federal court for lying to the FBI about being harassed. Sutter was working for the Cleveland, Ohio BBB as a trade specialist and was investigating Edward Ohlson when he claimed he received a death threat. Sutter reported that he got a one-page letter that read, in part: "Sutter: Testify on [Edward LaMonte Ohlson] and die. Sutter also reported that he was followed by a car licensed to Ohlson's wife, Rose Ellen and gave the FBI the license number of a car that belonged to Rose Ellen Ohlson. There was just one problem with that. It seems that Mrs. Ohlson's car was inoperable for two years. Opps Sutter caught in another lie. Oh and that "death threat" well Sutter sent it to himself!

In fact it also looks like Sutter also lied about the BBB offices being burglarized where he claimed part of Ohlson's file was stolen.

Sutter was forced to resign from the BBB Aug. 13. Sutter pleaded guilty Sept. 17 before U.S. District Judge George W. White, who sentenced him to , and 60 days of house detention and three years probation.

As a result of Sutter's criminal behavior Sutter and the Cleveland BBB became defendants in a $18.1 million lawsuit. Ohlson wasn't happy being arrested as a result of Sutter's false reports to the FBI.

And now Sutter is doing his best to repeat his illegal behaviors. It seems to me the person who needs the stupid award is Sutter himself.

Update: 8/27 Cristy Li has a few comments to make to Sutter about his lies about her as well. Read Open Letter to the "Reverend" Jim Sutter.

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Update: Paranoia settling in, Sutter trying to erase his tracks

As with most bullies and liars, Sutter doesn't like it when his lies are exposed. He's been busy pulling down pages where he has posted his lies about himself. To bad for him; I have PDFs of them or they are still in Google's cache. He has deleted his "Just the Facts" blog. However you can still see a Google cache of it here.

Sutter is also making the claim that his blog sustained a:

"hacking attack on the evening of 7/12/07 and continued attempts at vandalism. "

Update July 15: Now he has added:

"Due to persistent vandalism and a hacking attempt from my cyberstalker and other hate mongers."

Hacking and attempts at vandalism? Interesting expression for exposing Sutter's lies with his own words. No wonder he pulled his "Just the Facts" blog down. It was a treasure trove of lies, fabrications and self-mythologizing. And he claims to have taken "measures" he's put a:

"hidden program on this and all my sites, where every vandalism and hacking attempt generates a report, identifying the perpetrator, IP address, date and time of the attempt, any other website that they came from, and any website that they go to when they leave. I hate to have to take this step, but the hate mongers are desperate to erase the facs about their repugnant agenda of bigotry."

What a wonderful example of paranoia and projection. Mr. Sutter thinks he's important enough that someone would want to hack his hate and libel blog. He's even claiming to have received "death threats". If he did receive death threats they probably came from his own hand. Sutter has a history of forging emails using the headers from old email. He again makes the claims that his "cyberstalker" (little ole me) has been forging posts and claiming they are his. I wonder how he gets around the posts in Google groups from 1995 or the old webpages stored in the internet archive? The only erasing of facts I see is Sutter pulling his page 'o lies down.

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When does credit card fraud become a “religious counseling session?"

Once more, on Mr. Sutter's "Just the Facts" [See update.] blog, he has reinvented himself. What he *now* says about his time in prison.

I was jailed for contempt of court when a judge ordered me to reveal the contents of a religious counseling session I had with an inmate. There are two Ohio laws that protect these conversations, I showed both to the judge, plus I explained professional ethics, but he didn’t care, so he found me guilty of contempt of court, and ordered me locked up until the trial was over.

What Sutter posted about his time in prison on alt.prisons

"I was a minister -before- I gave in to greed and went to prison."

And

"I spent time in FMC Lexington. As a matter of fact, I'll offer it now. My BOP number was 33692-060. Anyone can call BOP, I guess a good place to start is wit their Mid-Atlantic Regional Office, at (301) 317-3211. And I'm still on Supervised Release, until 4/15/97, if someone doubts that, I can give them the name and number of my PO

and again here

"I recently did a short stint in a federal prison for misuse of a credit card."

This pretty much matches up with what I found on the Federal Bureau of Prisons InmateFinder. He was sentenced to FMC Lexington, (Kentucky) Jan 8, 1996, and was ordered to surrender to BOP by reporting to FMC, Lexington, KY. He did not surrender to BOP as ordered, and a warrant for his arrest was issued. Judge Sam H. Bell gave Mr. Sutter a break, and again ordered him to surrender himself, but again he ignored the order. Mr. Sutter was finally arrested on 1/18/96, and delivered to FMC, Lexington.

On a pathetic note, while Mr. Sutter was avoiding reporting to prison, he was posting on the Usenet about his impending demise. On Jan 13,1996, five days after he was ordered to report to FMC, Lexington, he posted:

"Seems before I could even leave for the transplant, I had another heart attack, and was taken by ambulance to the local hopistal. I spent about 3 days in CCU, and they reasonably stabilized me. They also ran new tests, and found that my ejection fraction (the efficiency of one's heart) is down to 8%, which disqualifies me for ny transplant.

To make a long story short, my doctor agreed to let me come home to die. He says it's probably a matter of days at this point, that a body simply cannot function on 8%.

Once I'm gone, I will try to watch over my friends from Heaven..."

And again on Jan 15,1996:

"Dear Friends: I expect that tonite will be my last posting on this or any other board. I can no longer breathe on my own and can hardly move without my heart setting off the alarms. It has been great knowing you all, and I will do whatever God allows me to from Heaven, to forward the cause of equal access for all persons, able-bodied, disabled or otherwise. Please pray for my wife, son, family and friends to have the emotional strength to realize that this should not be a period of grief, it should be celebration - I will be in Heaven, with no more physical and emotional pain. It has been great knowing all of you, and I hope you can carry on for equal rights."

One has to wonder what kind of sick person would pretend he is dying in a Usenet group?

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Vapor Degrees and Invisible Seminaries

Mr. Sutter has made various claims as to where he went to "seminary," and what degrees he has earned. On his blog "Just the Facts" (See update) Sutter claims that he:

"enrolled in King’s Word Seminary, which at that time was in Strongsville (they have since relocated). I began there in early 1989 to receive my Masters in Theology, and spent a couple of extra years working on my Doctorate in Divinity, Doctorate in Biblical Studies and History, and a Ph.D. in Trauma Psychology. Later, I completed additional training at other facilities to receive CEs and certifications in Crisis Intervention, Domestic Violence, Suicide Prevention, Hostage Negotiation, and Prison Ministry."

On Sutter's Yahoo 360 page, he makes similar claims: that he attended "King's Word Seminary," and earned both a Masters and Ph.D. from that institution. On his ZoomInfo page, he claims earning: "Ph.D., Trauma Psychology," "Doctorate, Biblical Studies & History," and "Doctor of Divinity, Divinity Studies, Comparative Religions," again at "King's Word Seminary." He makes similar claims on his AOL homepage. (note: I am linking to his AOL page to the Internet Archive because once again Sutter is busy reinventing himself and removed his claims to advance degrees as of 5/1/08)

"I have a BS in Physics, a Th.M., D.D., a doctorate in Biblical Studies and a Ph.D. in Trauma Psychology. I also maintain various certifications and CE's in prison ministry, domestic violence, crisis intervention and management, suicide prevention. "

When one does a Google Search for "King's Word Seminary," the *only* time it turns up is with Mr. Sutter's own references to the "degrees" which he "earned" there, otherwise "King's Word Seminary" is nonexistent. However, when one searches Google for "Doer’s Of The Word Baptist Church" (the first Church Mr. Sutter says he was affiliated with), one is met with success. Scroll down the page and what does one see? Why, there's Kings Word Bible College! Not "King's Word Seminary." This is certainly in keeping with Mr. Sutter's pattern: note the similarity between the names.

Kings Word Bible College is a non-accredited Bible school (Bible schools do not require any accreditation) which awards certificates (no degrees) to their graduates. According to Pastor Sanders, Chancellor of the Kings World Bible School, and Pastor of Doer’s of the Word Baptist Fellowship Church, Mr. Sutter did attend there but didn't finish his certificate program.

If Mr. Sutter should claim he was never associated with Pastor Sanders: here is the proof. Sutter became associated with Doer’s Of The Word Baptist Church and their prison ministry right after he was released from prison for credit card fraud.

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The Pseudo Rev Who is a Fraud

Just who is this "Rev" James M. Sutter, exposer of hate on the web? He has made many claims about himself over the years, but the best place to start is with his own blogs, viz: "Just the Facts."
[Update 8/04/2007 Sutter has moved his "Just the facts blog to his AOL web page and did some editing. Second update 9/08/2008, Sutter has again reinvented himself and edited his "Just the fabrications" again however he left the date the same leaving the impression that this was the original posting. What Sutter doesn't realize is that AOL allows anyone to FTP to anyones web page; the evidence is there for all to see ftp://hometown.aol.com/revjimsutter! Sutter changed his "Just the Facts" Xmas eve 2007 but left the old date of Monday, April 23, 2007. It seems the "man of God" Lies again. ]
The first claim is that he enlisted in the Navy. Yet the photo he posts of himself "on leave"
is not a regular Navy uniform but in fact a Navy Jr ROTC uniform. This is not a picture of him home on leave, but a picture of him home after a day in high school. (Note 8/07: he has remove this picture and the one of the GI Joe from the new profile on AOL; I wonder why?) He also claims that in the Navy, he specialized in

“SWEOD, Special Weapons Ordinance Disposal and Intelligence. At times, I was TAD’d to Special Ops units. For those who understand, my NOD and AQDs were: 1635, KG2, 3Q1, USNAVCENT/FIFTHFLT.” (note 8/07 he has added this disclaimer "This does not mean I was a SEAL. Please do not misunderstand, and do not believe the claims of those who say I was.")

With a picture of a GI Joe doll in combat gear (amusingly titled me+in+gear) to show what he used to wear. However, on a web page exposing military phonies Heroes or Villains?, Sutter has been exposed as a liar, and I quote: "there are NO men listed in the SEAL database with the last name SUTTER." (Note: this has been removed and Sutter has added a disclaimer, although this doesn't absolute him of giving the "impression" he was a Navy Seal). He was also exposed as a Navy Seal impostor at The Special Operations Bulletin Board. "...this man was publicly exposed as a SEAL impostor. In my opinion, the current display on the web page has all the earmarks of a pitiful and pathetic effort to hang onto those claims while leaving nothing for those who exposed him to use against him." More on his Navy career later.

The "Rev'" Jim Sutter claims to be an independent Baptist Minister

"I received my “Calling” to ministry around 1985 or so, and since I was Catholic, I started off in my local church (St. Luke’s) as a Commentator and Lector, then received training and certification as a Eucharistic Minister. At that point I volunteered in various ministries, as a lay minister at the Aristocrat Nursing Home, Lakewood Hospital and an adult day-care program at Fairview Hospital. I knew that God wanted me to do more, so I applied for the Deaconate program (sort of a junior priest). Unfortunately, I found out that the Church (at least in the Cleveland diocese at that time) did not accept applicants who had physical disabilities. I was quite surprised, because the Church does great public work for people with disabilities. But, I had run into a brick wall at this point, with God telling me that He wanted me to do more.

I took about a year to pray over this and consider my options. Finally I enrolled in King’s Word Seminary, which at that time was in Strongsville (they have since relocated). (Note: 8/2007 Sutter has added this disclaimer (ie: lie): "they have since relocated and downgraded to a biblical study school) I began there in early 1989 to receive my Masters in Theology, and spent a couple of extra years working on my Doctorate in Divinity, Doctorate in Biblical Studies and History, and a Ph.D. in Trauma Psychology. Later, I completed additional training at other facilities to receive CEs and certifications in Crisis Intervention, Domestic Violence, Suicide Prevention, Hostage Negotiation, and Prison Ministry.

During this same time period, I continued with volunteer work, volunteering for the Free Clinic on their Crisis Intervention Hotline and Counseling program (that worked out well for my practicum); I volunteered as a prison minister in all Ohio prisons, county jails and local lockups; I volunteered for the local Christian Service Center, and helped found another non-profit crisis intervention agency known as the Free Crisis Clinic (now defunct).

I finally finished with seminary in December 1993 and received my ordination, state license and my first assignment, to Doers of the Word Baptist Fellowship Church in Strongsville Ohio. After serving two years there as Associate Pastor, I moved on to Jesus the Way Christian Fellowship Church in Lorain, Ohio in 1995 as Pastor and then Senior Pastor. Jesus the Way is a nondenominational Christian church, with pastors who are Independent Baptist, Southern Baptist and Pentecostal, and is located at 1822 East 28th Street. My church’s ministry programs include prison ministry, nursing home and hospital ministry, street ministry, aftercare ministry and an anti-hate ministry. These are the only churches in which I have ever been a pastor and with which I have ever been associated. In 2005 I went on semi-retirement status at Jesus the Way due to my worsening health, and late in 2006 I became Pastor Emeritus (fancy word for retired.) I still maintain my license and can marry, bury, and baptize people, and the church has been kind enough to allow me to remain in charge of their Internet Ministry Program.”

But this contradicts what he said about himself September 30, 1995 on a bit.listserv.ada-law newsgroup

Sutter has specifically claimed he was a *new* kind of ordained Catholic minister, "higher than a Deacon, but slightly lower than a priest." A position that has never existed in the Catholic Church.

“I am a minister by a new program of the Catholic Church. The Jesuits are running a relatively new program out of Modesto, CA, where they are coordinating training of ministers who would otherwise not qualify for service to their church. I would not normally qualify for further service to the Catholic Church, as I had already been commissioned a Eucharistic Minister, and the next step up would normally be to the Deaconnate. BUT, the Catholic church will not accept anyone into the Deacconate program who is disabled. (I know, we need to work on them, too). So the long and the short of it is that applicants go through five years of lay ministry to learn tenants and connonical law and biblical studies in whatever Christian religion they profess as their faith. The program is currently graduating Catholic Ministers, and Protestant and Episcopalian and Baptist Ministers.

As a Catholic minister, after I completed my five years of study, done through a combination of correspondence, online and attendance at St. Borromeo Seminary (here in Cleveland), while during the same five years working as a lay minister for the Catholic Church. After all that, then I was ordained, in Decembber, 1994. As a Catholic Minister, through a special dispensation of the Pope, I can be married and have a family. I am in a position higher than a Deacon, but slightly lower than a priest. I perform baptisms, celebrate mass, preside at First Communions, hear confessions, absolve sinners, bring communion, compassion and a sympathetic ear to the sick (they can't tell me anything I don't personally know about), say funeral masses, marriages, etc.”

He also repeated that fabrication here

“I was ordained December 11, 1994 by the Catholic Life Church program out of Modesto, California. My Ohio license is number 4849, granted December 30, 1994. My supervisory Bishop is Bishop Kirby Hensley. I hold a Doctor of Divinity degree and a Doctorate in Biblical Studies.”

And once again here

I began as a lay minister in the Roman Catholic Church in December 1988. I continued lay ministry as Lector, Commentator and Eucharistic Minister while I studied for a relatively new Jesuit program headquartered in CA. I attended classes at Borromeo Seminary here in Cleveland, but the bulk of my studies were done at home, with reports, tests and thesis sent and graded by mail to the HQ in CA. I was finally ordained in a recently created position of Catholic Minister in December, 1994.

Kirby J. Hensley was the president and founder of the Universal Life Church (ULC). Modesto, California is the headquarters of the ULC. There is no "Catholic Life Church." [Note the similarity in names between Universal Life Church and "Catholic Life Church"; this is a pattern with Mr. Sutter.]

Sutter also made the claim that he was a Catholic minister again here (this is an old prodigy.com web page saved by the Internet Archive).

“Hi. My name is Rev. Jim Sutter. I am an ordained Catholic minister, serving as chaplain at a local hospital, also as chaplain to a terminal care support group and a national advocacy organization.”

Mr. Sutter is now saying that these Usenet posts made in 1995 were not made by him, but are forgeries. This claim fails because the headers on these posts match the AOL headers from all of the numerous posts he made at that time (all are saved on Google Groups), and the fact that his "ADA NEWS FROM OHIO" Prodigy page also made the same claim. It would seem that someone who was posting in 1995 pretending to be Rev. Jim Sutter would have generated some sort of protest from the *real* Rev. Jim Sutter at the time.

Mr. Sutter might be under the delusion that someone can "forge" a Usenet post in 2007 and insert said post into the 1995 feed. Although Usenet forgeries are very common, I don't think anyone has figured out a method to send a forged post back into the past.

Here is the *real* truth about Mr. Sutter’s ordination……it never happened. Not from the imaginary "Catholic Life Church" or from the equally invented "King’s Word Seminary." He bought his ordination from the Universal Life Church. See what Sutter wrote about his troubles with the Catholic Church as a result of his Universal Life Church ordination.

“I am Roman Catholic, and had continued to attend mass after ULC ordination, but now the Cleveland RC Diocese has sent me a written warning that if I continue as a ULC minister I will be excommunicated!”

Note his signature:

RevJimS@aol.com
Rev. James M. Sutter, D.D. D.B.
Universal Life Church

Mr. Sutter has never had a ordination by a recognized religious organization after a course of study (which is confirmed by the senior pastor at the Baptist church Sutter was once associated with). What he does have is a license to solemnize marriages from the State of Ohio which his do-it-yourself "ordination" from Universal Life Church helped him get. Which he admitted to in this post

"when I applied for my Ohio license, I had to present my ordination certificate and degree from ULC, and it is upon those documents that the State of Ohio, operating under Ohio Revised Code, granted me a minister's license."

Update 8/2007: Sutter is now trying to make the claim that King's word Bible school was once a Seminary and down graded to a Bible school. Unfortunately that is another lie, a pathetic attempt from the phony "Rev." to save face.

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